have anyone seen god? what gita says?
Gita says in Chap 11. TEXT 48. The original song is
na veda-yajnadhyayanair na danair
na ca kriyabhir na tapobhir ugraih
evam-rupah sakya aham nr-loke
drastum tvad anyena kuru-pravira
Meaning word by word given by a scholar in "GITA AS IT IS":
na--never; veda--Vedic study; yajna--sacrifice; adhyayanaih--study; na danaih--by charity; na--never; ca--also; kriyabhih--by pious activities; na tapobhih--by serious penances; ugraih--severe; evam--thus; rupah--form; sakyah--can be seen; aham--I; nr-loke--in this material world; drastum--to see; tvat--you; anyena--by another; kuru-pravira--O best among the Kuru warriors.
His translated meaning !
O best of the Kuru warriors, no one before you has ever seen this universal form of Mine, for neither by studying the Vedas, nor by performing sacrifices, nor by charities or similar activities can this form be seen. Only you have seen this.
But the real meaning word by word is :
na--never; veda-- veda; yajna--sacrifice; adhyayanaih--study; na danaih-- charity; na--never; ca--also; kriyabhih-- pious activities; na tapobhih-- penances; ugraih--severe; evam--in this way; rupah--appearance; sakyah--can be seen; aham--I; nr-loke--in this material world; drastum--to see; tvat-by you; anyena--by another; kuru-pravira-- pure teacher.
Real translation is :
O holy teacher, veda, sacrifice study, charity, also by pious activities, by severe penance, in these way my appearance can Never be seen in this material world.
conclusion :
- These versus says "NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD BY ANY ACTION MENTIONED AT ANYTIME" which means the concept of hinduism is broken here.. As many puranans and myths says god does not appears in front of the one who does hard penances and gives him no boon as he wish
- These versus looks like god speaks to his employee who positioned as holy guru. - We call the holy guru as prophet in Islam. Prophet is just a messenger between people and god just like gita presented.
- The poem were misrepresented by the translator and the same being taught to the people which is really a big sin.
- These versus means monotheism, that is "THERE IS NO OTHER GODS BUT ONLY ONE" and holy guru which is "GOD'S MESSENGERS"
- Gita is noway far from Islam if we are able to remove the misrepresentation and misinterpretations.
questions to ask yourself:
a) where are the following words in the same song which are all used in the scholar's commentary..
- Before
- Universal
- Only you have seen it.
b) What is the meaning of this versus before and after added these words.
Note :
In Islamic perspective, this versus is look like GOD SPEAKS TO THE MESSENGER.
The interpretation done here by the basis of versus-es which sanjaya narrates to the king what happened between krishna and arjuna at the battle field. in the end krishna said ti arjuna that he is going to show his real appearance only to arjuna and added np one else seen before and no one will see as well. and he tells to arjuna this gita is only to him and not to reveal to anyone else.. then
1) how sanjana seen the real roopam of krishna which he shown only to arjuna?
2) how he taught everything at the battle field
3) how one can hide behind and see and listen the whole thing in the battle
4) even if its possible how does he remember everything?
many more questions will rise if you read and analyse "The Gita" yourself...
Reference :
In Islamic perspective, this versus is look like GOD SPEAKS TO THE MESSENGER.
The interpretation done here by the basis of versus-es which sanjaya narrates to the king what happened between krishna and arjuna at the battle field. in the end krishna said ti arjuna that he is going to show his real appearance only to arjuna and added np one else seen before and no one will see as well. and he tells to arjuna this gita is only to him and not to reveal to anyone else.. then
1) how sanjana seen the real roopam of krishna which he shown only to arjuna?
2) how he taught everything at the battle field
3) how one can hide behind and see and listen the whole thing in the battle
4) even if its possible how does he remember everything?
many more questions will rise if you read and analyse "The Gita" yourself...
Reference :
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?input=evam&direction=SE&script=HK&link=yes
http://www.asitis.com/11/48.html
http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=anyena&iencoding=deva&lang=sans
http://www.asitis.com/11/48.html
http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=anyena&iencoding=deva&lang=sans
Is it the religion a reason for all the problems?
No not really..!
- All the religion teaches mercy, love, patience, compassion, tolerance with each other.
- And of-course none of the religion teaches not to protect yourselves when someone tries to destroy your belief and life.
- Its us who failed to understand the teachings and failed to follow it up.
- All the religion says the god created the entire world, But we failed to understand the world is one, so the god should be one.
- All religion says, the vada/scripture is given by me, but its us who failed to understand if god can guide us, why not ppl from other place and language..!
- its us who failed to understand, when the word of god given to our religion is being respected, why not others, ultimately its a word of god.!
- Religion is the guidance of god almighty, So failed to understand that the teacher is best, but not the student.
- Its us who failed to understand what is gods word and what is not.
- Problem is not with of god or religion, but with of us.
- its us who has no patience, no love, no humbleness and have ego, jealous, angry and etc etc that makes us not to understand the truth.
- And of-course none of the religion teaches not to protect yourselves when someone tries to destroy your belief and life.
- Its us who failed to understand the teachings and failed to follow it up.
- All the religion says the god created the entire world, But we failed to understand the world is one, so the god should be one.
- All religion says, the vada/scripture is given by me, but its us who failed to understand if god can guide us, why not ppl from other place and language..!
- its us who failed to understand, when the word of god given to our religion is being respected, why not others, ultimately its a word of god.!
- Religion is the guidance of god almighty, So failed to understand that the teacher is best, but not the student.
- Its us who failed to understand what is gods word and what is not.
- Problem is not with of god or religion, but with of us.
- its us who has no patience, no love, no humbleness and have ego, jealous, angry and etc etc that makes us not to understand the truth.
- And the atheists are no exception.. they reject religion because of clashes and injustices actions took place because of religion to one another, however they do the same for the different cause. world knows, what Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Than Shwe, che, pol pot and etc did to the world.
- if killings should not be done in the name of god, is it right if its done in the name of atheism and of any other reason?
- if there is a problem of using the tool made by an expert, its good to learn how to use it instead of making our own tool in which we can never have knowledge and of its outcome.
- another reason because of scholar or preacher or follower who has no enough knowledge. its because they believed in the scholar, not on god. its just an ignorance, not intellectual.
- if killings should not be done in the name of god, is it right if its done in the name of atheism and of any other reason?
- if there is a problem of using the tool made by an expert, its good to learn how to use it instead of making our own tool in which we can never have knowledge and of its outcome.
- another reason because of scholar or preacher or follower who has no enough knowledge. its because they believed in the scholar, not on god. its just an ignorance, not intellectual.
reference :
1) https://libcom.org/blog/christians-vrs-atheists-whos-killed-most-11022010
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
3) http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html
4) http://thriceholy.net/killersf.html
5) http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/
6) https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130414130105AAfpeOr
7) http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4076
8) http://rogerfields.com/top-10-reasons-i-am-not-an-atheist/
9) http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/evil_atheists.htm
10) http://americanvision.org/5582/atheists-make-better-thieves-murderers-and-rapists/
11) http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/provingGodExists.htm
12) http://www.islamic.org.uk/gde.html
13) http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/uk-atheists-realize-islam-is-the-only-religion-they-cant-criticize/
14) http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/635/what-is-the-islamic-response-to-the-atheist-demand-for-proof-of-god
15) http://www.thebigdebates.com/debates/islam-or-atheism-which-makes-more-sense
16) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Z_TW5w8kA
17) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJIJV4i-7uo
18) http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/19012
19) http://realtruth.org/articles/140710-001.html
20) http://www.oddee.com/item_98822.aspx
21) http://www.strangenotions.com/god-exists/
22) http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/5-proofs.html
23) http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
24) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1x-6al2pE
25) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EaWPIlNYY
26) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Y_T66lmAA
27) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvVt4lDSPeY
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
3) http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html
4) http://thriceholy.net/killersf.html
5) http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/
6) https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130414130105AAfpeOr
7) http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4076
8) http://rogerfields.com/top-10-reasons-i-am-not-an-atheist/
9) http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/evil_atheists.htm
10) http://americanvision.org/5582/atheists-make-better-thieves-murderers-and-rapists/
11) http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/provingGodExists.htm
12) http://www.islamic.org.uk/gde.html
13) http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/uk-atheists-realize-islam-is-the-only-religion-they-cant-criticize/
14) http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/635/what-is-the-islamic-response-to-the-atheist-demand-for-proof-of-god
15) http://www.thebigdebates.com/debates/islam-or-atheism-which-makes-more-sense
16) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Z_TW5w8kA
17) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJIJV4i-7uo
18) http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/19012
19) http://realtruth.org/articles/140710-001.html
20) http://www.oddee.com/item_98822.aspx
21) http://www.strangenotions.com/god-exists/
22) http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/5-proofs.html
23) http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
24) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1x-6al2pE
25) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EaWPIlNYY
26) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Y_T66lmAA
27) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvVt4lDSPeY
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